Just got my 17" Ultra Thunder rims in today! Got them for $111 a piece, plus $30 for valve stems and lug nuts (gave me 40 of them, long and short plus the special keyed lock nuts), and $20 for packaging. FREE freight on them. So totaled up it was $494 for 4 brand new rims with all of those things. Now I just got to buy tires. Its sad that rims cost less than rubber that goes around them.